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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Flying Dice on Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:51 pm

Hah, dropship? Make her a Wraith pilot.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:57 pm

I think Tavi would be happier in a dropship. Those crazy Pegasi can have their zippy little fighters, Octavia's much more comfortable behind several inches of neosteel.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Flying Dice on Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:34 pm

But the sheer artistry of the gunplay seems like her thing-maybe a Siege Tank?

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:41 pm

That would be too indirect, she wouldn't get to really see the results. Perhaps a Goliath. Or maybe a Vulture rider, poppin' spider mines and scoutin' enemy bases.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Necro910 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:06 am

Slag wrote:That would be too indirect, she wouldn't get to really see the results. Perhaps a Goliath. Or maybe a Vulture rider, poppin' spider mines and scoutin' enemy bases.
I think Goliath would be best out of those two.

'Tis a deep question, indeed.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Flying Dice on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:41 am

A Reaper, perhaps?

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Necro910 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:59 am

Flying Dice wrote:A Reaper, perhaps?
Reaper seems more "Run and Gun" than artistic or dexterous. A ghost or spectre would be her best bet as infantry, maybe a goliath if she were a vehicle operator. I don't know, it's not my story

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Emberflash on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:10 am

I dunno. If not for the whole being alive and not being a computer thing, Tavi would make a hell of an adjutant. :3

But if we're being at least moderately serious, I can see her being a Wraith pilot. Although it's more in the fray and a hell of a lot more dangerous, I feel like she'd enjoy the simple art behind materializing out of thin air and catching your enemies with their (proverbial) pants down.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Necro910 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:18 am

Emberflash wrote:she'd enjoy the simple art behind materializing out of thin air and catching your enemies with their (proverbial) pants down.
Begin Moltavia fics.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:23 am

Molestavia sounds better.

She probably would enjoy being a Wraith pilot, but at the same time it would likely mean getting less time with Scratch, who she could at least talk to occasionally while ferrying her to a mission. It's sort of a question of how much she'd like to stick around Vinyl, as well as how strong her sense of self-preservation is.

She's definitely smart enough to not be a marine. If their marines are anything like mine, they'll die by the dozen.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Debesh on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:28 am

I once won a game by throwing one-hundred and eighteen fully upgraded marines at my brother. Half of them died, but I WON DAMNIT. LIFE MEANS NOTHI-
Ahem. So, sorry to burst your bubble, everyone, but Octy is staying on... Terra? Equs? Earth? One of the three :p
If she were along for the ride, though, I'd probably put her in a medivac. Like you said, Slag, she's smart enough to avoid the marine suits... although the majority of the marines are mind-controlled criminals, so she's not really in a position to be one anyway unless she joins a local militia or something.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Dsarker on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:49 am

Starcraft Marines are like Imperial Guard, except without the great armour and fancy weapons that the Guard have.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Flying Dice on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:16 am

Actually, SC marines function similar to a bit of fluff I thought up for a potential Aurora Lp/fic: Give people convicted of capital crimes the option to go through basic technical training, get sealed in outdated FACs and Frigates, and be sent into battle as cannonfodder, with the promise of release if they survive a ten year tour of duty, as an alternative to execution or multiple life sentences. The ships would be similar to the suits in that they would never be opened, unless they actually survived for 10 years, and of course they're so shitty that even without locks on the fire control systems to prevent them from rebelling, they couldn't do anything against modern armor or shields. The added bonus is that if a crew is good enough to survive for that long on the front (keep in mind that in my games, FACs and frigates basically exist to soak up enemy missiles(, they would be worth the effort of rehabilitation and could be used as instructors or dispersed among existing crews.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Dsarker on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:40 am

Oh, yes, that's right. They're penal legions, except without the most powerful weapons.

Like suicide bomb squads.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Debesh on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:02 am

So, you have a whole swarm of Bongolian Ultra-Prawns in Aurora?
I keep hearing awesome stuff about that game, but my pathetic 1064x600 screen is too damn small to play it :/

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:48 pm

Honestly, if you're that worried about having to write some reasonable way for Octavia to steal a small ship from the local shipyard and ram it into the Nagglfar as it departs, we could help you write it.

It's just not right to have Scratch without Octavia. Them being paired up has practically become their defining fanon feature aside from that they are both music-centric, and since you've already introduced that they know each other there's no way you can escape at least showing Scratch coming to terms with the fact that she's going to never see Octavia again.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Debesh on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:27 pm

Slag wrote:...and since you've already introduced that they know each other there's no way you can escape at least showing Scratch coming to terms with the fact that she's going to never see Octavia again.

Of course that's going to happen! Maybe not well, but I'll be at least trying to write it :p
The cost of using existing characters is that you have all the canon and fanon baggage that comes with them, and using Vinyl means that Octavia needs to be there somewhere. Note that I don't use the term 'baggage' negatively. Vinyl's probably going to be somewhat depressed for a while after the Nagglfar lands on Tarsonis, and I doubt she'll ever be truly happy (I can guarantee you that she's not going to get a happy ending; being a Ghost pretty much sealed the deal for her).

In unrelated news, the Nagglfar in Norse mythology was a warship built from the nails of the dead. Kind of fitting and creepy at the same time.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:34 pm

Well, if you throw Octavia in, then you won't have to be so sappy because they'll have each other's company.

Edit: If you want to make them have a sad ending, then have them on the Argo. I'm sure the Kel-Morians had a few ghosts working for them, and Octavia could probably find her place in the society.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Debesh on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:17 pm

Well, you have me convinced :p
I can't write emotional scenes and everyone wants Octavia to show, so I suppose I'll need a way to get her on the Nagglfar. She can't sneak aboard; the trip lasts thirty years in deep space, and while there are supplies available she would be spending decades alone; that kind of thing comes with a lot of psychological damage. She'll need to get put on the ship itself for some reason.
Once they actually get there, though, I'm thinking something like this.
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Octy and Vinyl settle down in the growing Confederacy. Once the Confederacy starts getting settled in, they begin building up their military... which includes the ghost program. Vinyl ends up being a prime candidate for the program and 'disappears' to be brainwashed and initiated into the program. Octy is heartbroken and ends up moving to Moria. The Guild Wars break out, and Octy ends up joining, possibly as a dropship or goliath pilot or somesuch. The wars end and Korhal ends up getting nuked into oblivion. I'm thinking that, at sometime during the Wars, Octy sees Vinyl and figures out what happened. After a possible confrontation, Octy is enraged at the Confederation and joins the Sons of Korhal.

Well, plans change. Looks like Octy is taking Raynor's place now instead of the OC's I was planning :p I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to pull something along the lines of '150 year average lifespans' out to keep everypony form dying of old age :p

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:39 pm

Octavia would probably end up claiming she had cybernetics like Scratch so Scratch wouldn't be left alone. Both of them would end up getting on the voyage together.

You wouldn't have to extend it all the way to the Great War: if they survived long enough for the Guild War that should provide some action.

Reading through the histories, actually, it would seem that the humans in-canon do have ridiculously long lifespans. From the landings of the ships to the Great War might have been three generations.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Sean Mirrsen on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:41 pm

If Octavia takes the place of Raynor, and Scratch is a ghost, can't Scratch take the place of Kerrigan? Not a suggestion per se, just sorta thinking out loud. I don't remember nearly enough of the storyline, even that presented within the game, to make any sort of sense in that regard.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:37 pm

Raynor and Kerrigan didn't even know each other until Raynor joined the Sons of Korhal. And I think that this'll be easier and funner without replacing pre-defined characters with other pre-defined characters (especially since it's more like Scratch:Octavia::Raynor:Kerrigan personality-wise, rather than the other way around).

Like I said, keep the two of them alive through the unexplored Guild Wars and they can sorta show things that most StarCraft fans haven't seen. It's sorta like a prequel-crossover thing.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Debesh on Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:43 pm

Kind of the point, anyway. So, I'm not covering the games in this story; it'll end with the Guild Wars. Now, I need to actually write the rest of it :p

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Slag on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:44 pm

I wonder what Scratch will be like post-ghostification. She'll still have her memory, since the mind wipes only started after Kerrigan was rescued, but I'd imagine that the trauma of the ghost training program will dull some of her peppiness at the least.

Maybe the whole ghosting thing will be sort of a thing to get Octavia involved: she finds out about the program from Scratch, but Scratch has been made too loyal to just quit fighting for her team. Octavia has to find a way to rescue her from the brainwashing and then they can go live happily ever after. Or get hunted down and killed. Or somewhere in between, running from the assassins sent after them until one day they find peace and live out the small bit of what's left of their lifetimes.

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Re: PonyCraft: the New Order

Post  Armok on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:23 pm

I like Slags idea.

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