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Re: Group Requests

Post  drilltooth on Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:27 pm

Age is easy enough to lie about, (although that is technically Computer Fraud, at least in the USA.) I've been on internet long enough to know some people are more mature at 17 than others at 22.
No lawyer, but, I think even registering an account requires you to be legally responsible for your decisions.

We've had our test case, established a precedent, Now, shall we say "The everfree forest contains things some may find objectionable: discression is advised" and move on?


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Re: Group Requests

Post  Necro910 on Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:38 pm

drilltooth wrote:Age is easy enough to lie about, (although that is technically Computer Fraud, at least in the USA.) I've been on internet long enough to know some people are more mature at 17 than others at 22.
No lawyer, but, I think even registering an account requires you to be legally responsible for your decisions.

We've had our test case, established a precedent, Now, shall we say "The everfree forest contains things some may find objectionable: discression is advised" and move on?

This ^


Just still have the "Ask and you shall recieve", but add a disclaimer so that the law ain't as intrusive.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Armok on Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:47 pm

I'd be horrified if this place grew even moderatly large and have to remove most of the stuff I've contributed. It's meant for just this small group of friends. So let's hope that miracle never hapens, and if it does I say we close everfree for ALL new members not just the ones below 18. But maybe that's just me.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Flying Dice on Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:37 am

What it pretty much amounts to is that we're still a small community and we can afford to make choices about this based on intuition. Hell, Dsarker is 17, and I suspect that some others from our original group are younger than 18, so it would be hypocritical to outright ban people from it solely on account of age. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the rule needs to be in place both as a legal thing (everyone who is in the EF needs to have acknowledged that it contains mature content, and that they are aware that it was entirely their choice to be exposed to it), and so that in the (unlikely) event of us becoming a major pony forum, we have a way to prevent everyone from being exposed to it. My thoughts on this, while not quite as extreme as Armok's, would basically be along the lines of "We'll choose who to let in, if anyone". The age limiter isn't really such; it is more of a legal fiction/indicator of the content. If we said "forbidden" or "mature", it might not be clear enough, but "18+" tends to be a fairly universal indicator of what the content will be.

As it stands, however, we are a very small community, with little/no growth, and I see no reason to prevent anyone who wishes to be able to view and contribute to the Everfree Forest, so long as they recognize that if they see something there that shocks, offends, traumatizes, etc. them, it isn't our fault. Basically, it isn't a matter of "If you are under 18, you can't be a part of it", but of "You need to recognize that this contains content that would be rated R/M/X/AO/whatever if it were released under those rating systems, and you must acknowledge that you viewed it of your own free will". Hope that cleared things up.

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Re: Group Requests

Post  drilltooth on Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:51 am

yep. establish some criterion, like you'd need to have been around and somewhat active for a time before asking to be let in, so folks might get some chance to understand what sort of community this place fosters before you make your choice, and explicitly state it is a choice you make of your own free will and desire to know.

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Re: Group Requests

Post  MC Dirty on Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:03 am

Flying Dice wrote:-snip-
Hope that cleared things up.
Yes, it does. Thanks for that.

drilltooth wrote:yep. establish some criterion, like you'd need to have been around and somewhat active for a time before asking to be let in, so folks might get some chance to understand what sort of community this place fosters before you make your choice, and explicitly state it is a choice you make of your own free will and desire to know.
Well, as far as I can tell, everyone who's a user here is from Bay12, so that's absolutely no problem. I really don't want this place to become super popular with non-Bay12-forumites, but even if it does, establishing a vague rule or process of some kind should be doable.

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Re: Group Requests

Post  Emberflash on Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:02 am

Damn, I turn my head for one second and lines and lines of hard debate appear like magic.

Flying Dice wrote:...it would be hypocritical to outright ban people from it solely on account of age. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the rule needs to be in place both as a legal thing (everyone who is in the EF needs to have acknowledged that it contains mature content, and that they are aware that it was entirely their choice to be exposed to it), and so that in the (unlikely) event of us becoming a major pony forum, we have a way to prevent everyone from being exposed to it.
+1

I'm in agreement here. Although I don't really need to say that again, since I already spouted out what I had to say on the matter
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Jacob/Lee on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:41 am

This still open? If so, Request Join: Everfree Forest...
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Flying Dice on Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:10 am

I'll go ahead and add you.

Also, I love the SOPA'd avatar.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Jacob/Lee on Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:15 am

Flying Dice wrote:I'll go ahead and add you.

Also, I love the SOPA'd avatar.
Thanks. Very Happy
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Necro910 on Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:45 pm

Jacob/Lee wrote:
Flying Dice wrote:I'll go ahead and add you.

Also, I love the SOPA'd avatar.
Thanks. Very Happy
I agree, it's funny.

Also, just thought of a joke:

Congress needs to drop the SOPA.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Loud Whispers on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:28 am

Necro910 wrote:Also, just thought of a joke:

Congress needs to drop the SOPA.

I don't even want to PIPA the everything Razz
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Whitefoxsniper on Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:00 pm

Request Join: Everfree Forest

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Re: Group Requests

Post  Flying Dice on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:33 pm

I just need to make sure that you acknowledge that you know what you're getting into and that if you are offended, etc., it isn't our fault, yadda yadda yadda, okay?
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Loud Whispers on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:57 am

Flying Dice wrote:I just need to make sure that you acknowledge that you know what you're getting into and that if you are offended, etc., it isn't our fault, yadda yadda yadda, okay?

Erm... Lemons.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Whitefoxsniper on Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:10 am

Flying Dice wrote:I just need to make sure that you acknowledge that you know what you're getting into and that if you are offended, etc., it isn't our fault, yadda yadda yadda, okay?

I can see it already, but i acknowledge that any indecency that I witness is my fault and that I must clean up my own puke yada yada yada Smile
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Flying Dice on Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:32 am

Already added you to the group a while ago because (big secret!!) I don't really give a shit, either.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Kaijyuu on Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:54 am

Loud Whispers wrote:
Flying Dice wrote:I just need to make sure that you acknowledge that you know what you're getting into and that if you are offended, etc., it isn't our fault, yadda yadda yadda, okay?

Erm... Lemons.
Lemons? Where!?

All I see is gore fics D:
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Slag on Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:57 am

Only one lemon. And it's not what you're thinking.

Unless it is.

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Re: Group Requests

Post  Flying Dice on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:09 am

I could remedy that, but I'm not sure if I could live with myself. Okay, that was a lie, because I know I could, but there are depths I try to avoid sinking to for no reason, or because I'm bored.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Sean Mirrsen on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:27 am

Flying Dice wrote:I could remedy that, but I'm not sure if I could live with myself. Okay, that was a lie, because I know I could, but there are depths I try to avoid sinking to for no reason, or because I'm bored.
Well, I did rise (or sink) to the occasion as well, and I'm still living with myself just fine.

The key is not making a habit out of it, I guess.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Kaijyuu on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:07 am

I'll be totally honest. I've only read 1 fanfiction. And it was a lemon. And it wasn't that good. And not in a hilariously bad way, even. Just average.
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Re: Group Requests

Post  MC Dirty on Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:50 am

Slag wrote:Only one lemon. And it's not what you're thinking.
One? Aren't there two? You know, the first lemon and the one that's written as a sort-of-sequel to "Special Delivery"?

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Re: Group Requests

Post  Armok on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:11 pm

Pony Farm doesn't count? do In need to make it longer?
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Re: Group Requests

Post  Slag on Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:24 pm

Pony Farm only resembles a lemon in that if your eyes brush upon it, they start to burn.

Also, I thought I destroyed all evidence of the aforementioned 'sequel'.

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